Brazier qualification and brazing procedure are to be provide and maintain on the job site per #5.1.10.11.10.5. Then per #5.10.11.11.5 the Brazing Procedures shall meet #5.1.10..11.11.5 right?

Who has ever seen this written Brazing Procedure (i.e. manual, report, document).

So, with that said.

Checking someone's brazing credentials is easy (even their concurrency).

But now the question, who should be reviewing this ?

The BRAZING PROCEDURES DOCUMENTATION ?   

Should it not be supplied via Credentialing Organization - Agency to meet  #5.1.10.11.11.5. (even at an additional cost to the brazier )

What is ready happening is people are getting their brazing credentials preforming the work in the field without this documentations, thinking all is good. Is this even a test question from the Credentialing Organization - Agencies ? 

NFPA 2012 CODE: 

5.1.10.11.10.5  Prior to any installation work, the installer of medical gas and vacuum piping shall provide and maintain documentation on the job site for the qualification of brazing procedures and individual brazers that is required under 5.1.10.11.11. 

Would an ASSE 6030, let a none ASSE 6010 credentials brazing install a medical gas & vacuum system ?

Should an ASSE 6030, ask to see the required on site brazing procedure documentations ?  

This is an interesting one - I often talk to engineers about this because in my view the procedure itself is something they should be specifying.  

In essence, the organization the brazer obtains their 6010 card from (NITC, MGTC, etc.) determines the procedure under which they are qualified.  Their employer will not even have an idea (much less a written copy) of that procedure, except as they may have worked through it themselves for their own 6010.  If you as a verifier or another AHJ asked to see the procedure, they could only show you the card and refer you to the agency.

But the card seems to be considered adequate to meet the requirement of NFPA, along with the "ongoing proof" mentioned by Bob. 

Bob, have you ever seen an actual "procedure document"?

We document the Installer's ASSE 6010 credential in our verification paperwork. 

I'm seeing it more common that Installers are required to submit their brazing documentation as part of their submittals (it's written into the spec). 

But, I see no explicit requirement by NFPA 99 5.1.10.11.10.5 for the Verifier to require documentation of the Installer's qualification procedures.  Others may interpret this requirement as implied, but my interpretation is that enforcement of this specific requirement is the responsibility of the Owner (via the spec) and/or the AHJ.

Bob -

Fair question.  To my point, consider the explicit language in 5.1.10.11.10.1 -- based on our individual experience, each of us might interpret "qualified, competent...experienced..." differently.  We all know Installers who have a 6010 credential but have no business installing medgas systems.

5.1.10.11.10.1 The installation of medical gas and vacuum systems shall be made by qualified, competent technicians who are experienced in performing such installations, including all personnel who actually install the piping system.  

My opinion is the Verifier has no enforcement authority, so we document the Installer's credential as a record they are "qualified, competent...experienced..." to have performed the work, based on them having an ASSE 6010 credential issued by a (hopefully) reputable agency, and one that did so compliant with NFPA 99 requirements.

A well-written spec can protect the Verifier in this regard.