• Tuesday, December 21, 2021 7:52 AM
    Message # 12208319
    Deleted user

    Wanted to get some thoughts on this new IVF clinic I was asked to inspect last week which went through some major value engineering.

    Upon arriving did a quick walk trough with the plumber and found that the project had been scaled down from original project.  Frist off all the medical gases were removed from the project which would have included O2, MA, N2O & Vac.  Owner determined they could use e-cylinders in the procedure room so all gases eliminated along with vac/WAGD (i guess portable suction) .  All alarms eliminated both area and master and since there were no gases no zone valves.

    So now all they left were 35 outlets for Nitrogen and Co2 with one zone valve box.

    ZVB was located in the Andrology room with the 3 stations.

    Manifold room was reduced to 2 manifolds ( N2 & Co2)  exhaust ventilation was eliminated, fire doors not install and reduced to a non-rated door. Light switches installed at 4 feet no protection.  No master alarm panel for changeover or hi/lo monitoring not required in labs.

    I started to discuss several of the deficiencies and was informed the engineer had already reviewed code and signed off on everything my inspection was just needed for the state.

    What to do with these guys!!!!  Do we consider this truly a lab when procedures are being performed as they will do hundreds to thousands of embryo implant procedures per year and since anesthesia will be performed as part of these procedures what cat does fall into.

    any thoughts??

    Thanks  David Meek

  • Wednesday, December 22, 2021 7:35 AM
    Reply # 12210472 on 12208319
    Al Moon (Administrator)

    NFPA 99 / 2012 EDITION

    1.3  Application.

    1.3.1 This code shall apply to all health care facilities other than home care.

    In my opinion only.


    Are simply not a human consumption use facility.

    I believe them to be laboratory.

    So NFPA 99 is not the supportive document for installation, maintenance and testing.

    I would investigate other codes and standards.

    i.e / OSHA and NFPA 45 

  • Friday, December 24, 2021 10:04 AM
    Reply # 12213527 on 12208319
    Deleted user

    Al, so if the facility were install a standard procedure room with all gases would this statement hold true for you or would you test then??

  • Saturday, December 25, 2021 9:38 AM
    Reply # 12214550 on 12208319
    Al Moon (Administrator)

    Again, in my opinion only.

    I do not believe an IVF Clinic / Lab, has to be designed and build to NFPA 99 Code.

    Now with that said, if a receive a purchase order to produce a certification per the NFPA 99 Code (with luck listing on that PO# - the year edition and category level to test to).

    I would record all the items tested and missing per that document.

    It's a report of my findings Good and Bad.

    Last modified: Saturday, December 25, 2021 9:44 AM | Al Moon (Administrator)

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