NFPA 99 THE BOOK OF WORDS

  • Wednesday, April 17, 2024 6:08 PM
    Message # 13344891
    Al Moon (Administrator)

    NFPA 99 / 2024 EDTION SECTION #3.2.7


    SHALL = A Mandatory Requirement


    My question is ?


    Why on god's green earth - would the NFPA 99 Committee used the wording.


    SHALL BE PERMITTED 

  • Thursday, April 18, 2024 7:40 AM
    Reply # 13345021 on 13344891

    Because inspectors have misread requirements and making demands that the TC didn't intend. So, at times for clarification, they will say "shall be permitted". These are my personal opinions and are not official interpretation. 

  • Thursday, April 18, 2024 4:03 PM
    Reply # 13345303 on 13344891
    Al Moon (Administrator)

    So, in this case posted below.

    There is ready NO true NFPA 99 Code Requirements

    for the type of material to be used on medical vacuum exhaust.

    Just an OK to use or pick from the listed items!?



    NFPA 99 / 2015, 2018, 2021 & 2024 Editions:

    Section #5.1.3.7.7.7 Medical-Surgical Vacuum Source Exhaust

    Vacuum exhaust piping shall be permitted to be made of materials and use a jointing technique as permitted under 5.1.10.2 and 5.1.10.3. (i.e., ASTM: B819, B88, B280 / Stainless Steel) & (Brazed, Welded, Memory Metal, Axially Swaged).


  • Thursday, April 18, 2024 5:12 PM
    Reply # 13345338 on 13344891

    Al, you are correct.  No one requirement, you can choose from the list. Wassamata, you don't like freedom?  ;-}


    The stilted language is an NFPA thing - I don't think you'll find anyone who really likes to write code that way, but back in the Burton Klein days that was the rule. We don't do it so much anymore as we have other workarounds, but it still happens. 

  • Friday, April 19, 2024 8:07 AM
    Reply # 13345531 on 13344891

    Al,

    As Mark indicated, the intent is for the installer to choose one of the materials and joining methods listed. I do not believe that the intent is to allow any material or joining method the installer would like to use.

  • Saturday, April 20, 2024 7:58 AM
    Reply # 13345941 on 13344891
    Al Moon (Administrator)

    OK great news / I am reading this too literally.


    Per happens its time the equipment manufacturer 

    state within their submittals documents the requirement for 

    their NFPA 99 compliance system the type of material

    for that system for the Exhaust Lines. 


    NFPA 99 the 2024 Edition & Others in Section #5.1.3.7.1.1 (5&6).

    The use of brass, galvanized, or black steel pipe is permitted between the source valve and exhaust lines.

    As a whole it's up to and determined by the equipment manufacturer the material on the package itself. If those materials are ok on the package. Why not on the exhaust lines?




    NFPA 99 / The 2012 Edition:

    Section #5.1.3.7.7 Medical-Surgical Vacuum Source Exhaust

    This year’s edition has (NO) listing of the material or joining of the material.


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